Crown of Thorns
You probably know that Jesus was staked to a cross some time in the past and Christians celebrate his resurrection, his reincarnation, the first born of the Most High God, God Almighty, in just a few days. [John 18-end, Luke 22-end, Mark 14-end, Matthew 26-end]
Did you also know that those who mocked him put a "crown" of thorns on his head? [John 19:2, Mark 15:17, Matthew 27:29]
Why was the crown of thorns put on Jesus' head? And beaten?
I can't stand to think of the pain.
I believe there is more than one reason, actually.
One of the reasons that occurred to me, is that it is the visual representation of the treatment he went through, throughout his life. Being assaulted with:
* awful logic
* mean sayings
* bad ideas
* Devil, Satan, etc...
* etc...
People assaulting (and insulting) his thoughts, his head, his brain, his mind, his head. [John 8:48-49]
There is a saying that just as iron sharpens iron, two people can also sharpen their mental faculties together. [Proverbs 27:17]
However, there is a problem in that not everyone tries to work with another's metal and angle.
Some folks beat down on, perpendicular to the other person/idea, instead of working in a manner to sharpen it.
Stay tuned for a few more brainstorms... Some other important things need my attention...
Comments
jim e
Sat, Mar 22, 2008 - 2:43 am
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In just a few days?
Yashua is King. This was an insulting crown (and probably prophetic). What did the insulting sign above him say? King of what? (First to the ___ and then to who? Me and you? Do not make me say the word that I hear the third century church hated.)
What day was it on? Was it not on a day during Passover? Little do I know, I hold no, I repeat, no degrees, masonic or otherwise ... but I hear that the eastern church and the western church are sometimes in agreement on the day of the (uniquely Christian or shared?) celebration and sometimes both wrong IMHO. Is it Easter or a mixed celebration to both Him and her (springtime fertility goddess) ishtar? (eggs , cute little bunnies ...)
My belief is that ... He was the Passover Lamb to take away the sins of the world ...
I am ready for the Bride to dump the cute little trappings and come into the light.
Good Friday? How could it be good (math)? Three days and nights as Jonah in the belly. You do the math. Bad math? A lie? When getting on this page you ask us to do a simple math question. I answered in truth (or so I believed it to be) ... I now ask you to do the same. How can the Way, TRUTH and Life be celebrated in lies ?
Just like they tell us to celebrate (Christ Mass Day) the birth of the TRUTH on the 25th, modern churches ask us to celebrate the resurrection on EASTER (not always during Passover). Would not at least one of the prophets used the word easter? It is Passover (PESACH) and they all used this word as it is the most sacred and so is Yashua. Exodus 12:14 - And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever ... ... ... What is it about forever I can not quite get a hold of? Is it because I am from Alabama and my name is earl?
Passover is not until next month. It is based on a Jewish calendar. Thanks for letting me vent. I only want to rightly divide. Maybe I should just shut up! Please help me to understand better this greatest of Christian days, Easter, and why it is not in sync with Passover.
. Happy Easter! jim e
NewOldSalt
Tue, May 27, 2008 - 1:54 am
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Hi Jim, a few more thoughts
Hi Jim, a few more thoughts I had while I was writing, or soon after, but didn't make it in to my previous comment... :-)
It seems to me there are a number of possibilities for various celebrations and events to be recognized. Some of them have a human origin. However, I think what you could be referring to are celebrations which are timed to the alignment of various celestial objects.
I'm going to guess you know this (probably better and more than I do) since you are familiar with the fact that the Sabbath begins once the sun goes over the horizon. At least I think that's how it's observed.
Most folks who live in suburbs and cities can't really see the planets and stars, too much light at night. And there are other folks who consider paying attention to celestial goings-on to be hocus-pocus.
Yeshua/Jesus specifically mentions ~ "signs in the stars and heavens" [Luke 21:25, Mark 13:24-25, Matthew 24:29-30], but we don't seem to have much more information than that, at least I don't.
Please feel free to share in the comments below!
How does one go about not wasting time learning the fake junk? I know some folks will say "astrology vs. astronomy", or something similar, but I need more details.
NewOldSalt
Sat, Mar 22, 2008 - 2:09 pm
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Happy Easter to you too
Happy Easter to you too Jim!
I am certain your being from Alabama and being called Earl (in the old days :-) has nothing to do with any perceived lack of understanding. You are now called James, did that make a difference? You are now vacationing in Florida, did you suddenly gain understanding when you crossed state lines? :-) Of course I doubt that. Yeshua did say, one does not find him by going on an earthly exploration. [Matthew 24:26]
In your defense I would say you probably know more than you give yourself credit for.
You brought up many points. Please forgive me if I don't address them all. I'm not sure I understand them all. Let me see if I can address them in the order you write them.
1. @ jameshall, "This was an insulting crown (and probably prophetic)."
I agree. The crown was meant to cause him pain and humiliation. And further reason that folks would consider him stricken and cursed by God, as the prophecies foretold. [Isaiah 53:4] We know that God does not reward people the way humans reward each other. God does not shower the people He loves with money, or expensive belongings, or even attractive people.
2. @ jameshall, "What did the insulting sign above him say?"
I'm not sure the sign above Yeshua was insulting. It declared him King of the Jews (in 3 languages). [John 19:19] It seems accurate to me. However, I totally agree with you, that Yeshua didn't get the respect he deserved, but in any case he still is their/our King. 'King of Kings' as they say. How he was treated is the real insult, and that no one recognized him for what he really was/is. I am not saying I would have either, by the way, I'm not trying to point fingers.
3. Your next concern seems to be the timing of the celebration of Yeshua's crucifixion and resurrection (even his birthday). You mention Yeshua being the fulfillment foreshadowed by the very first Passover celebration.
Since I have put most of my belongings in boxes, and am painting, I can't put my hands on a great book I have. "Panati's Extraordinary Origins of Everyday Things" is definitely worth reading. In it you will find that the Roman Catholic Church, in its attempt to convert the world, "adapted" many pagan celebrations and "re-christened" them as Christian holidays, and two of them are ones you mention, "Easter" and "Christmas".
This may be the reason for the timing discrepancy you refer to.
@ jameshall, "How can the Way, TRUTH and Life be celebrated in lies ?"
Hm... Jeremiah 8:7 points out that many of us are ignorant, and specifically implies with regard to the timing of things.
However, Jesus does have a parable that says even though a person may ignore or say "no", to God's will. If he later changes his mind, then does God's will, he ends up doing God's will. Even though it wasn't at the "right" time (the time he was asked). []
But by the same token, Jesus also mentions that timing is very important. Read about the parable of the 10 virgins. []
So to fully address your issue, "Please help me to understand better this greatest of Christian days, Easter, and why it is not in sync with Passover." requires me to know more than I currently do. Except for my inkling I mentioned above, that it has to do with a long-ago attempt to co-opt pagan traditions.
So. What are you left with? It seems to me you have a few options, some mutually exclusive, some not.
1. Ignore the celebrations on the dates you don't like.
2. Celebrate on the dates you think are right.
3. Try to get everyone to change to the right date.
4. Celebrate during the times others celebrate, even though it's not at the right time, AND celebrate during the time you think is best.
My Conclusion
I agree it is hard to see others take certain things cavalierly that we do not consider insignificant. To treat sacred things like they are trash.
I'm not sure what to say except:
1. Yeshua/Jesus was the model in how to behave in these situations.
2. In Daniel it is written that desolations have been decreed. []
3. Pray that we are taken away as first-fruits and are spared the end-times-testing that refines the remaining; when the Devil tries to get them to curse God, but perhaps they may repent and call on God's saviour for salvation.
(Please excuse me for not looking up the location of each verse, but leaving an empty "[]" in place. I am not the kind of person who has these things memorized by where they are in the Bible.)